drbowen wrote on Tuesday, August 02, 2011:
When this group took over leadership of this project on March 8-9 of 2005 there was a committee of admins. I think I got demoted and two of the developers left the project. Really guys. Both Tony McCormick and Stephen Boyd-Smith have proven their worth and paid their dues here. When are you guys going to share the love? (Thanks for that phrase Jack ;-).
sunsetsystems wrote on Tuesday, August 02, 2011:
Sam I have no idea. Surely you’ve noticed our disagreements on very fundamental issues.
tmccormi wrote on Tuesday, August 02, 2011:
So, I lead the biggest project OpenEMR has ever seen, recruiting some 10+ developers, negotiating for some $30K in certification costs and because you don’t like my opinion about the web pages model I’m not a trusted administrator, even though I have full commit privileges?
Thanks,
-Tony
sunsetsystems wrote on Tuesday, August 02, 2011:
I’m not having another public flame war about this. Let’s take it offline.
bradymiller wrote on Tuesday, August 02, 2011:
Hi Shameem,
Your issues have been addressed in the following thread:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/openemr/forums/forum/202506/topic/4011231
Your offensive post is destructive to the community and your vendor reputation. Please note your posts go out to several hundred members (they can not be taken back). Probably about half that number will then read them on the forums. Please let me know if you wish me to delete your post.
-Brady
bradymiller wrote on Tuesday, August 02, 2011:
Sam and Tony,
Again, I have the utmost respect for you both and all the contributors from OEMR. I exchange emails and work with this group of contributors pretty much on a daily basis. Everybody involved has put a lot of sweat/blood into OpenEMR and the project is on the verge of getting full certification, which is really remarkable. Tony and Sam, my concern here is that there is a member of OEMR using the words “petty”, “disgusting”, and “tyranny” to describe the current admins. Surely, you would understand in this situation why we would give pause to considering adding site admins in the current environment.
Sincerely,
-Brady
zhhealthcare wrote on Tuesday, August 02, 2011:
Brady,
You chose to quote some words I used, but not the entire spirit. You forgot to mention my appeal to you to work together and move forward as a team. I cannot help if people choose to make my reputation for me.
Thanks
Shameem
oemr board member
drbowen wrote on Tuesday, August 02, 2011:
Rod, after all your rhetoric about openness and public transparency you are insisting on taking this “off-line”. This seems like yet another attempt to deflect attention to topics that are too hot for you to handle.
So you are saying Tony and Stephen don’t qualify as admins because after their years of hard work, high quality and dedication to this project you don’t trust them?
Tony and I are all about openness, transparency, and community. We prefer “Open Source” leadership
Perhaps you should explain why you believe that it is healthier for the community that only you and Brady get to vote.
I think Tony McCormick has shown his technical competence, his dedication, and paid his dues. I hereby nominate Tony McCormick to site admin.
I think Stephen Boyd-Smith has shown his technical competence, his dedication, and paid his dues. I hereby nominate Stephen Boyd-Smith to site admin.
Sam Bowen, MD
sunsetsystems wrote on Tuesday, August 02, 2011:
This thread is abusive, off-topic, redundant, disrespectful and inflammatory. It reflects poorly on OEMR.org and is harmful to the OpenEMR project. If you continue this pattern I will escalate the matter with SourceForge. I know you are aware of the virtues of personal discussion.
justinhartman wrote on Tuesday, August 02, 2011:
I follow the forms on a regular basis but not a responder.
I second Tony McCormick and Stephen Boyd-Smith having site admin privileges.
Justin M. Hartman, M.B.A.
sunsetsystems wrote on Tuesday, August 02, 2011:
Justin, contrary to implications above and elsewhere, there is no nomination or voting procedure related to site administration. Check your SourceForge email, I left you a message and will be happy to explain further.
sunsetsystems wrote on Tuesday, August 02, 2011:
Oh never mind, looks like we have astroturfing going on now:
http://www.justinhartman.me/about/
“On November 1, 2010 I became the Controller of Bowen Primary & Urgent Care in Hickory, North Carolina.”
justinhartman wrote on Tuesday, August 02, 2011:
I really did not want to do this but due to the nature of the e-mail I just received, and put ion as response number 14, I am posting my reply.
I was asked: “Justin, I’m curious to know why you feel as you do on this
topic, and what is your connection with OpenEMR and/or any
of the project’s vendors?”
By Rod and I guess I did not respond quick enough due to being at work.
Rod, for how you are putting how you feel and others comments, you are now doing exactly what you are saying you do not like, and putting a personal stab at me for no reason at all. This is very unprofessional to not let me respond and post what you just did. How is this community oriented and not acting like a dictatorship?
Here is my response:
"Due to me not being able to respond quickly enough I do not
feel as though you need to be unprofessional with your
comments. I have used the software way before joining Bowen
Primary & Urgent Care, have been consulting with medical
practices for several years, and also am from the Mid-west.
Your remarks to me are exactly what you are complaining
about in the public forum: “Oh never mind, looks like we
have astroturfing going on now”
Sorry that I actually put what I do on a public forum. I
would appreciate in the future the time to reply before you
sending me 3 messages without explaining what I do, how I
support to the project, and why I feel how I do.
As I said before, now you are acting like those you are
complaining about, so think about that before you try to
ridicule and degrade my input on subjects."
Justin M. Hartman, M.B.A.
sunsetsystems wrote on Tuesday, August 02, 2011:
Just posting the facts, my friend. Would have done the same if you had answered my message sooner. I understand why you feel angry, but in this case I have no apologies.
justinhartman wrote on Tuesday, August 02, 2011:
The facts were always there, maybe you should look first.
So you are allowed to be the way you threatened everyone else with the response of “If you continue this pattern I will escalate the matter with SourceForge” and feel it is appropriate?
No reason to say you have no apologies, I am sure the entire community knows you are not the type of person that has any feelings concerning your actions, especially if you say you understand why I feel that way. So, you are saying you agree how unprofessional and hypocritical you are being in this matter?
sunsetsystems wrote on Tuesday, August 02, 2011:
Amazing. I’ll let the community judge this one.
justinhartman wrote on Tuesday, August 02, 2011:
It should be fairly easy due to me including the private messages sent so the entire picture is seen.
tmccormi wrote on Tuesday, August 02, 2011:
… there is no nomination or voting procedure related to site administration ….
Who exactly decided that that was a policy of the OpenEMR project? Show me the meeting minutes and where the community voted on that topic.
Doesn’t sound like a community based model to me.
-Tony
sunsetsystems wrote on Tuesday, August 02, 2011:
Well since you won’t discuss in person I’ll try to say something that others might care about.
Tony, the history of the project is an open book. Over time it became successful and others, including you, gathered around it because people liked the way things were going which was in no small part through the efforts of its admins. That’s how open source works and you can think of that as a voting process if you like. Sam was never an admin.
Making someone an admin on SF is very serious business, as they then have the power to toss out the other admins. You guys already have OEMR.org to run, I gave you the domain for it, please use that to show us all what can be accomplished in a voting scenario and stop this senseless bashing of the admins who want nothing other than great things for OpenEMR.