I have my own layout based visit form where i have added 27 or so groups. Now when i try to add new group it only allows me to have one field.If i try to add a 2nd field when i click on save new field it creates an empty group with no information.If i keep this group it creates an error and the group is erased but when i try again for the 2nd field the same situation happens again .If i delete it and try again for the 2nd field ,again the same situation takes place.What could the problem be? Could there be a maximum amount of data accepted for the layout based visit form and there is no space left?
Thanks in advance
translating this in the old fashioned paper work, that doctors, paramedical etc. used to keep track of their work, for me this translates in 27 different forms…
Would you be willing to share your efforts to see where this is heading. Could be you can do with four different LBV-forms and existing OpenEMR available extra’s hidden down deep in the software. LBV-Forms have their own TAB in the encounter.
BTW, I don’t know if there is a limit for Groups in LBV-forms.
Pieter, im trying to make my own visit form “Gynecological Clinic”.It needs to be separated in 3 categories ,where each category has subcategories. I thought i should have 3 groups about these main categories and groups for their subcategories and then find a way to connect the subgroups of the subcategories with the groups of the categories they are associated with. Is there an other way to do this? Have a form with 3 main categories and when a category is chosen its subcategories will be displayed?
Also i’m having problems with changing the data types ,the maximum size and data and label cols of some fields! Is there a known reason why this happens and no change is been saved?
in layout1.jpg i want to change the sizes so the display will be symmetrical. The presentation of layout1.jpg is form1.jpg .And in layout2.jpg i show you that i have change for some fields the maximum size to 10 as i wanted but for the rest i cant change them from 20 to 10,nor change for some the data/label cols to 1
LBF are designed for capturing encounter specific data. Looks like you are using it as generic form for patient data which will save data ok but not very useful. Example - patient’s family history will not change with every visit. These belong to somewhat misleading label as issues that you can pull up readily without searching in encounter records.
That does not address 27 category limit you seem to have found. Could it be some special character or other problem?
Very careful I would suggest, with the info I see:
Make more LBV forms. Each can be used when you click for that patient on the Tab of layout Based.
One for Echo examination.
On for family history
One for pregnancy control etc. etc. etc. This would give more structure for review of clients. Some of the forms will be used during many encounters, some will be used every encounter.
I can think of more separate groups, but within OpenEMR the Client and Family history is available. Why invent the wheel… but it can be done. I am not aware of sub groups in groups. (Since that is what you ask, if I understand your questions in this Forum).
What you do now is something like (My interpretation):
Subgroups 1.1.1 Personal History, 1.1.2 Family History, 1.1.3 Urban influences etc…
But as a general/family doctor I do not see the relevance of most categories that I propose in this schedule.
Sometimes it is better to KISS… the users are most of the time more accustomed to do less, than to do more (with very much redundancy). Except for teaching purposes your approach of including everything is advised, but for most of us, “Keep It Simple and Stupid”, but with the option to include free style extra input. One of the options you should become accustomed to is definitely the Nation Notes (Look this up in the WIKI Pages and examples presented by fsgl for ophtalmology)
If I am correct, FSGL is definitely willing to give help on Nation Notes, once you are on your way and need some extra advises. Once you understand the scope of this extra you will be hooked by the many possibilities that N-N gives to include pre-type texts and self type texts.
The categories where given to me by the doctor who will use this for his practice. Its for my dissertation and i have to do it his way! Also i have never worked with openemr and i basically don’t know much about it expect what i’ve been told!Thank you for your suggestions, I will look up Nation notes and i will give you my feedback! As for the problem about the fields you don’t know what could be the problem?
I make an encounter for a patient. Than I start a LBV-Form and make changes to the form line by line. After every change I check the encounter readily available by clicking the patient summary.
Than go back to Layout and make the next change. (both of them are one or to clicks away. May be fsgl will have another and better advise. I know there have been discussions on this topics somewhere in the forums.
Please feel free to keep on asking, and don’t forget to send us your end results. Even with some failures it might help to get new Obstetric forms in for OpenEMR.
Thank you for your responses. As for my 1st problem ,I’ve tried deleting a group and recreating it but it still allows me only to have one field and nothing more.If i try to add a new it creates a new empty group. For my 2nd problem which is what is the correct way to develop my form, should i stay in layout based forms ad make more lists or nation notes will help me categorize my form better?
Nation notes makes a part of LBV-forms and makes life much easier for the doctors that uses the forms.
But for now, begin with the next step:
Go into translation of the local computer and change Layout Based into Dr. Blankevoort, even better to change it into the name of the Doctor/Gynocologist who let you do this project.
Remember that if you get grates for this project we divide the result in two. Half for you half for me! :-))
You mean to rename my layout based form into the gynecologist name ?As for the grade, if this works out i’ll definitely include you in and share the credit
All medical notes generally have 4 components as in SOAP notes. S = subjective or the history given by the patient, O = objective or the exam performed by the physician, A = assessment or the differential diagnoses and P = plan or treatments/diagnostic studies.
Instead of 27 separate groups, consider putting each item in one of the above categories. If one of the 27 cannot be neatly placed in one of the four SOAP groups, then start a new group (for example, Diagnostic Studies Results), keeping the number of groups to a minimum.
Use the smallest Size possible for each Data Type. Disregard Maximum Size by leaving it blank. Get the basic form built first. We can work on symmetry later.
For the first field, use 1,3 and subsequent fields use 0,0 for the Cols. Trial and error will tell you how many fields can be squeezed into one line.
Use abbreviations as often as possible for the Label of each field.
The Demo’s were down earlier in the day. Import the attached .sql file into a test copy of OpenEMR for experimentation.
No that is not what I mean! Definitely not. When you made your first encounter and created an layout based visit Form you have noticed that next to Administration, and Clinical there is a third or even a fourth tab. Called Layout Based. now if your doctor see that these are “Doctor Teacher Forms” the first nice correction of OpenEMR is accomplished. The doctor know where to look for his/her own forms.
Now make a couple of Layout Based groups in Administration => List and Administration => Layout Based… Next to Administration, (sometimes miscellaneous), Clinical you will find Doctor Teacher Forms. Click Doctor Teacher Forms and you will find your Obstetrical Forms.
History,
Family,
Present Pregnancy,
Complications,
Operation report,
Evaluation of the Newborn,
and 22 other Forms with groups to your likings (because you wanted to start with 27 Groups and it is now reduced to 27 different Layout based Visit Forms.
Once you start making your forms, try to avoid double fields with the same information
But possibly less, since by now you now Doctor Teacher might be of the Lazy type…
Try to find a solution, so Doctor Teacher will NOT visit this forum too. Otherwise Doctor T. might give you another project…
