General billing question

nahoj1976 wrote on Friday, August 12, 2005:

I have a general question about how the billing system is made.

I try to adopt openemr to swedish health care, but I think the cash-flow is totally different from US. If I knew more about your system I am sure I could adopt it.

In my practice I hardly ever (maybe 5 - 6 times a year) get paid by an insurance company. My invoices are sent most often to one of the 24 state-departments depending on from which part of Sweden the patient comes from. Sometimes the patient herself pays, and sometimes a company (business or insurance companies) pay.

Have I understood it right if in US all treatments are payed from different insurance companies? And that all payments (cash and invoices) go through the ‘insurance companies’ part? That would mean that I could rename ‘Insurance company’ to ‘Payer’ or something like that and knit my pricelist towards that. (I use mainly three pricelists: one for departments, one for private companies and one for the patients themself)

drbowen wrote on Friday, August 12, 2005:

In the United States, there are some special rules having to do what is "reasonable and customary".  The insurance companies, (bless their benevolent souls…snicker) have dictated that the reasonable and customary charge is what a particular physician charges, is that amount which is charged at leat 51% of the time.

If I, through happenchance, charge some fee at a discounted rate in 51% of the instances of billing for that fee,  that fees reasonable and customary becomes the new discounted amount.  This could a sudden and very uncomfortable drop in my reimbursement for that fee.  The best strategy in the US is to charge only one fee schedule.

Since we have numerous negotiated contracts with different insurance companies there are a lot of different negotiated fee schedules.  13 different schedules in my office at this time.

A patient shows at my office.  They pay me a small fee referred to as a "co-pay".  I perform the visit.  I then bill the insurance company for the full cash fee price (not the negotiated rate).  Some time much later we get a check and an "explanation of benefits."

On the explanation of benefits the insurance company will list the CPT of the visit and the amount I charged.  On the same line the insurance will show the amount deducted by the co-pay, the amount they will actually allow for reimbursement and the "disallowed amount".  The disallowed amount will usually be the difference of my cash fee amount and "allowed amount" plus the co-pay. 

Early in the year they may also subtract amounts for the patients prenegotiated "deductible".  The patient will be responsible for this amount.

In the US, assuming that the patient is insured (not always the case),  all of the charges are billed to an insurance company.  Even the US federal government insurance is billed just like any other insurance company.

Frequently, the patient has 2 or more insurance policies.  Once we get the explanation of benefits from the first company, we bill the second company for the balance.  Eventually, we get anothe r explanation of benefits with (hopefully) another small balance.

Finally, on classic endemnity insurance, we finally the patient for the remaining balance.  (There are other insurance types many of which do not allow direct billing of the patient.)

We generally refer to the responsible party as the "Payor". The first payor is the primary insurance, the second payor is the second insurance company.  The person responsible for the portions not covered is generally referred to as the guarantor.  A parent of a minot child would usually be the "guarantor."

drbowen wrote on Friday, August 12, 2005:

As an aside:  We don’t actually bill the federal government directly.  The “feds” hire a large insurance company to do the management of benefits for them.  In my home state of North Carolina we send our bills for federally insured patients to Cigna.  In this type of arrangement Cigna is referred to as a third party administrator (TPA).

nahoj1976 wrote on Friday, August 12, 2005:

Puh!

I used to be upset when the invoices aren’t payed for or there are discussions concerning the amount to pay. From now on I will only think of your situation and bless my luck…  :slight_smile:

This means I will translate ‘insurance companies’ to the swedish name for ‘Payor’.

nahoj1976 wrote on Friday, August 12, 2005:

Thank you for information.

I wonder if there are a dictionary with all the shorts you use in US? It took me long before I could solve some of the codes, like DOB, GIFI, EINR, etc. And now theres a new one: TPA…

andres_paglayan wrote on Monday, August 22, 2005:

I am having couple of missing values in the X12s as well as in the HCFA,
From where is the system pulling the place and type of service information that renders in the billing files?
Thanks you,
Andres

mpreilly wrote on Saturday, August 27, 2005:

Software utilization and practice implementation questions.
For US entities, do to the financial pressures to increase patient volume how does the sw address the following issues.  What techniques/strategies are used to prevent claim rejections?  How do you or how does the sw measure errors?  Is the sw structured for centralized/ decentralized billing?  Is the development moving toward realtime beneficiary eligibility verification and claims submission?