Issues with Acer Tablet/Android 3.1

mike-h30 wrote on Tuesday, January 10, 2012:

“I think debate is a healthy thing, and bear you no animosity.”

Your tone suggests otherwise with use of words like “retarded” and “chew on all that.” 

Anyway, the Slashdot story is no big deal.  The access they are referring to is the same access India was publicly pressuring RIM to provide last year to remain in the Indian market under the auspices of national security.  Many countries pressured RIM for such access to their email system and were provided it.  I seriously doubt Apple gave India targeted access to spy on the US. That’s called treason. I don’t think Tim Cook wants to join Manning in prison.

As for Android being more secure, I doubt that as well. Don’t forget malware on Android is out of control versus basically none on iOS.

iOS Safer from Malware than Android, Security Firm Says.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/245380/ios_safer_from_malware_than_android_security_firm_says.html

“A new report from security firm McAfee finds mobile threats are on the rise, and iOS users seem to be much safer than Android fans.”

“The release of Ice Cream Sandwich, which seeks to unify a few of the previous Android releases into a single, more cohesive system, could actually make Android more vulnerable to attackers.”

Android Malware Explodes, iOS Remains Safe
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2011/08/android-malware-explodes-ios-remains-safe/

“According to a report by antivirus software maker McAfee, Android is now the “most attacked mobile operating system,”
Interestingly, you’ll see that iOS doesn’t appear on the above chart at all.
It seems like Android’s “open” nature is indeed open, in that anyone can put any software, including malware, on your phone.
there’s no way we should have to deal with this kind of crap on our mobile devices, especially as we have a lot more personal information on there than we do on our computers. It certainly makes a powerful argument for Apple’s conservative, controlled approach.”

Is Android becoming the Windows of mobile malware?
http://news.yahoo.com/android-becoming-windows-mobile-malware-230025981.html

“Although many security firms still characterize the threat of mobile malware as relatively low, it’s important to know that those firms are generally comparing the number of threats faced by Android and other mobile operating systems to the those faced by Windows — which is the absolute king of malware, assaulted by hundreds and even thousands of new trojans, worms, exploits, and variants every day.  Saying a platform faces a low threat compared to Windows isn’t saying much at all.”

bradymiller wrote on Tuesday, January 10, 2012:

Hi,
Just a quick reminder; OpenEMR is an open source project :slight_smile:
-brady

cybercod wrote on Wednesday, January 11, 2012:

'Your tone suggests otherwise with use of words like “retarded” and “chew on all that.” ’

I’ll grant that my tone is argumentative, its just how I express myself when I feel strongly about something, but that isn’t the same thing as animosity or anger.  I am just trying to be honest here, but I think you’re deliberately trying to miss the points I’m making.

On the subject of security / malware I just have a simple question for you:  Can you uninstall the App Store from your iPad?

With Android, I can completely remove the Android Market application, greatly diminishing the infection vector of Android to zero.  In a large scale run, the tablets could be flashed with the same exact pre-configured firmware, disallowing installation of ANY other software.  It would be OpenEMR and other hospital approved apps, and NOTHING ELSE.  No Angry Birds, no Fruit Ninja, no Facebook.  No time wasters.  With the SE extensions that I already linked to, the device can be encrypted to disallow it from being hacked via a USB cable without authorization.   It IS more secure IF IT IS CONFIGURED TO BE MORE SECURE.  By default, no, you’re probably right, and Apple has the security edge, but in any large scale situation, you’d have professional techs who could provide dedicated tablets.  And in small scale situations, if they’re savvy enough to install a LAMP server, get OpenEMR up and running, configured for their locations and etc, then I’m fairly certain they could do fairly well with Android.

To play devil’s advocate with myself, If you had said Android is not as pretty, I would have given you a point.  Apple managed to keep all of their UI functions within the graphics accelerator.  Menus open more smoothly, and scroll more fluidly.  They also are much more polished as far as UI design… ie. any idiot can pick one up and make it do something, if not useful, then at least entertaining.  They are the AOL of tablet design, and I give credit where it is due.

But, no offence, McAfee is not a name to be trusted in the virus realm.  They suck at virus detection and removal.  If they hadn’t made a deal with the devil (MS) and OEMs to get bundled onto new systems, they would have been recognized for their crapware a long time ago.  I’ve been a PC repair tech for five years.  I know this from first hand experience.  They don’t know jack about viruses, either detection OR removal, and being that they’re in MS’s pocket, I’d say its just FUD funded by MS to keep iOS and Android fanboys in silly little flame wars, so as to take the heat off of THEIR crappy mobile OS.

If we were talking about choosing a tablet for leisure activities, and money isn’t an issue, I would say go with the iPad.  Smoother graphics, walled garden style App store to keep you from having to learn to recognized malware for what it is (poor user decisions), easy interface for the masses to learn… sure.  Go iPad.  All the way.  It costs more, and the apps cost more, but there’s not a lot of that pesky “customization” to worry about, and that way you and Grandma can have the same device.

But for something like this… utilitarian, preferably dedicated and locked down with local sys admin control… I’m sorry.  No.

I could truthfully point out that after 3 years as an android user, I’ve not once caught malware, but then, I’m not computer illiterate, I know how to spot shoddy software with a glance.  I’m aware that not everyone has my experience, and can get fooled into getting themselves severely pwned.

Have you thought about coding something for iOS yourself?  Or do you only advocate?

mike-h30 wrote on Wednesday, January 11, 2012:

“On the subject of security / malware I just have a simple question for you: Can you uninstall the App Store from your iPad?”

No.  Removing the App Store is not necessary for iOS security.  iOS already has a proven track record as being more secure than Android (see links in my posts above).

“With Android, I can completely remove the Android Market application, greatly diminishing the infection vector of Android to zero. In a large scale run, the tablets could be flashed with the same exact pre-configured firmware, disallowing installation of ANY other software.”

iOS devices already secure without the extra overhead. 

“But for something like this… utilitarian, preferably dedicated and locked down with local sys admin control… I’m sorry. No.”

Not true.

“iOS supports Mobile Device Management (MDM), giving businesses the ability to manage scaled deployments of iPhone and iPad across their organizations. These MDM capabilities are built upon existing iOS technologies like Configuration Profiles, Over-the-Air Enrollment, and the Apple Push Notification service, and can be integrated with in-house or third-party server solutions. This gives IT departments the ability to securely enroll iPhone and iPad in an enterprise environment, wirelessly configure and update settings, monitor compliance with corporate policies, and even remotely wipe or lock managed devices.

Mobile Device Management in iOS
http://www.apple.com/ipad/business/integration/mdm/

“Have you thought about coding something for iOS yourself? Or do you only advocate?”

Yes.  No.

I think there are more pressing matters at hand with OpenEMR than to continue this discussion ad nauseam. Can we just agree to disagree and leave it at that?  :slight_smile: